no, john thune -- >> yeah, john thune. >> in i can only think of republicans. i'm trying to think if there are any democrats. john kerry but -- >> two senators who were reelected this week, both of them women, amy klobuchar of minnesota spent some, spent some time at the convention in charlotte going to delegation breakfasts including the one in iowa where she, i belief she echoed sarah palin in saying she thought she could see iowa from her house, which is quite literally true. [laughter] and kirsten gillibrand. of course, there's pent-up demand for new yorkers running for the democratic nomination for president in 2016 already. [laughter] so as i understand, i think the order of precedence is if the secretary of state the -- state runs, then the governor won't, and if neither of them run, then gillibrand runs. >> i don't know if i just yet see her as presidential material, but she has been someone who has been mentioned who could be picked for this cycle. which would raise her national profile. and she certainly is a talented politician. i think she was under